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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby Neilywatch » Wed May 21, 2014 12:49 am

Hi -

I have owned watches similar to this in the past. The karat rating is usually 16-18K. They are not always plumb so you will have to have it tested. However I think it is older than 1850. More like 1830's. You have a better quality piece in that it is jeweled up the train. Jewels before 1850 were real and were expensive to produce. So, time for a little more research!
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby brownsrplm » Wed May 21, 2014 1:30 pm

Neil,
I thought his watch was older myself, but don't know enough about them to give an honest opinion. Today I'm wearing my Montgomery Ward (Illinois) Washington Watch Co. It is in a 25yr B.W.C. Co. Avalon case. This one has a metal dial and I'm not sure if that is what they came with, or it is a reproduction. Still it shows and runs well.

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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby Neilywatch » Wed May 21, 2014 11:05 pm

Definitely a repro dial - the originals were 3-sunk enamel dials.
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby brownsrplm » Wed May 21, 2014 11:17 pm

Probably a hard item to come by also, thus the metal replacement.
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby Tom Huber » Thu May 22, 2014 12:13 am

Neil, FYI, no such thing as a three sunk dial. With the center and the seconds sunk, they are called double sunk dials.

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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby brownsrplm » Thu May 22, 2014 12:29 am

Technically correct, I didn't catch that one. Triple sunk would look rather odd unless it's a wind indicator ;)
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby Neilywatch » Thu May 22, 2014 3:16 am

I don't dispute the terminology - but I still hear a lot of people referring to those 3-part dials as 3-sunk. Thanks for the correction, though.
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby 4brokenow » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:41 pm

Wearing today this 1885 Illinois Railroader Model 3 Grade 5 15 ruby jewel gilded beauty in a Bay State Imperial Coin. Movement is a transitional as it was included from factory with Keywind Stub.

Featured Bling include screwed-in settings, Gold timing screws with mean time adjustments, Chalmers Patent Regulator, Lever Setting/Stem Wind, Double Sunk Dial, And original set of Illinois Open Morning Glory Hands.

Fob is a recently found new addition.


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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby Marty101 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:33 am

Mornin' Phil. That description of this early Illy sure didn't leave out much!
All I can add is I dig that second hand. You don't see a lot of those. :)
Keep winding things,
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby MikeM » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:03 pm

Very, very nice Phil!! I'm glad your fob found a nice place place to "hang" ;)

I found a fob I couldn't resist recently too. I#ll post a pic when I get a chance...
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby 4brokenow » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:11 pm

Thanks Gentleman!

Mike lets see the Fob. And the Watch! These are great threads that GH members always enjoyed over the years.

Almost forgot to mention the above was a 5th pinion model. For those of you who don't know Illinois added a second 4th wheel pinion offset from the gear train to convert an otherwise Hunting case movement design to one that was made for open-face case such as this one. Some 5th pinion models had the 5th pinion jeweled which would have made the watch 17 jewels. This was good for creating jewel envy among friends. :lol:
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby MikeM » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:44 am

Phil,
I never really got the whole 5th pinion thing. Thanks for explaining it in a way even I can understand :lol:
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Re: What's In Your Pocket?

New postby MikeM » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:54 am

I'm putting this in my pocket today, just so I can post under this topic ;)

Being a leather person, and from Texas, I just couldn't resist this fob. I also had (in my opinion) the perfect watch to hang it on.

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