Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

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Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

New postby Fred E. Hansen » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:51 am

Pics here of a watch I picked up at the NAWCC National ...

The movement serial number is C222480, the 10K gold-filled Hamilton marked case serial number is 8914662. The dial is melamine signed "Hamilton Railway Special" with a recess only for the seconds-bit.

Now my 5 questions ...

- Am I remembering right that this is one of cases that the model number is unknown for and that there has been speculation that this could be the model B or model C case?

- Just how uncommon or scarce is this style gold-filled Hamilton factory case?

- In terms of shape and style, are there any differences at all from the model 12 Hamilton chrome case?

- How common or uncommon is this melamine Railway Special dial with only a recess for the seconds-bit but no center section recess?

- Is there any reason to believe the movement/case/dial are not an original combo?


Thanks in advance to all who can help!

Fred
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Re: Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

New postby Charlie Sides » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:11 pm

Fred

You can see a side by side comparison on Weldon's excellent thread under the #12 case. The only differences I have been able to ascertain are the metal composition and the case markings. Your case # fits right in with others I have seen (mine is 8913317). And this is one that has been speculated to be the B or C case ... primarily because we don't what case this is and we haven't been able to identify the B or C cases.

These were mistaken for #16 cases (roll gold plate, different bow/pendant) or traffic spl cases until recently, so were an unknown commodity. I have owned 3 and have seen maybe 5 - 6 others in the last couple years. They'er kinda like the #9 Ham case, makes you wonder where they've been hiding for the last 60-70 yrs. Comparative rarity, I think they are seen more often than the model #9 case.

I'll wait on pics and Terry for the dial question.

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Re: Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

New postby Glyn Meredith » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:52 pm

Explanation: I've done some housekeeping on this topic, The pics are now in the opening post.

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Re: Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

New postby Fred E. Hansen » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:28 pm

Thanks Charlie and Glyn!

Terry had mentioned that this sounded like a #168 dial and the dial markings definitely match to the ads I've seen of the #168. But was the 168 only made in this recessed seconds melamine design, or was there an enamel version or recessed center melamine version of the 168? And are #168 dials common or uncommon?
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Re: Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

New postby terry hall » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:42 pm

Yes, your image confirms it...

How many... not sure, but see them on quite a few 50's movements... they are not as plentiful as the 121 dial (double sunk melamine RWS) or the 379 dial ('montgomery double sunk melamine RWS)

I personally believe they (the 168 dials) were a derivative of the 080 single sunk glass enamel dial, which was a replacement for the Double sunk HG dial in the early 40's during a time of production/quality issues with the double sunk dials. I have 'read' "somewhere" that this was a result of WWII.... but this is NOT documented in any of the available factory information... I do not believe that read statement holds water... :roll:

other responses below in italics

- Am I remembering right that this is one of cases that the model number is unknown for and that there has been speculation that this could be the model B or model C case?

I think the "B" case has an Identity based on descriptions... IMHO it is very similar to the LATER model 16... so this is a candidate for the C case or some of the other 'undefined' cases mentioned in the Halligan writings.

- Just how uncommon or scarce is this style gold-filled Hamilton factory case?

I would say uncommon in the least...

- In terms of shape and style, are there any differences at all from the model 12 Hamilton chrome case?

Not from the example Charlie let me hold and view beside of a confirmed model 12...

- How common or uncommon is this melamine Railway Special dial with only a recess for the seconds-bit but no center section recess?

see above

- Is there any reason to believe the movement/case/dial are not an original combo?

I think it is a valid combination... congrats !!!


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Re: Hamilton 992B and 5 questions

New postby Norman Bliss » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:01 am

Fred, my c1954 Model 15 992B has the 168 melamine dial.
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